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Designing a Beautiful Florida Yard That Feeds Pollinators
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A beautiful Florida landscape can do more than enhance curb appeal. It can provide critical habitat for butterflies, bees, birds, and other pollinators.
In this episode, certified horticulture professional, Florida-Friendly Landscaping™ professional, and landscape designer Tenille Dixon Pawlus, owner of Butterflies and Blossoms FL, shares how homeowners can create vibrant, thriving outdoor spaces that support wildlife while remaining beautiful, functional, and easy to maintain.
Drawing on years of experience designing landscapes across Florida, Tenille offers practical guidance on choosing the right plants, avoiding common landscaping mistakes, and making simple changes that can have a lasting impact on pollinator populations. Whether you're starting a new garden or looking to enhance an existing landscape, you'll walk away with actionable ideas for creating a healthier ecosystem right outside your door.
Tune in to discover how every yard, no matter its size, can become part of the solution and help save pollinators one landscape at a time.
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Welcome And Why Pollinators Matter
SPEAKER_01Welcome to Fresh Take, where we have photoorganic growers speak to food systems experts about topics related to organic and sustainable agriculture, healthy lifestyles, and the environment. To help us continue our programs at Fog, including our podcast, consider becoming a sponsor. For more information on sponsorship, check out our Get Involved page on our website, www.foginfo.org.
SPEAKER_00Welcome to Fresh Take. Today we're discussing how topical landscape design can create beautiful outdoor spaces while still helping support Florida pollinators. So we're really lucky to be joined by Tanil Dixon Paulis. Tanil is the founder of Butterflies and Blossom's Florida, a certified professional. He has been doing this for quite a while with both the Florida Nursery Growers and Landscape Association and also the Florida friendly landscaping. Tanail keeps helping homeowners create beautiful low-maintenance landscapes that support pollinators and attract wildlife and at the same time, you know, help them thrive in Florida's unique climate. Because we know that we have a unique climate. You know, it's rainy and it's hot and it's muggy. And so Tanail does a really great job of that. Welcome, Tanail. Hi, how are you? Good. And thank you for joining us today. Um, you know, I'm really excited to be talking to you because I know that we're gonna try to talk about a few things. One of those things is gonna be how you know pollinators really need our help, especially in today's environment. Also, you're gonna be talking to us about how to design a pollinator-friendly uh landscape, and of course, how any of us can really get started. Uh so by the end of the episode, we'll all have a better understanding of why pollinators matter, uh, what makes a landscape of pollinator friendly, and how you know our small intentional choices can really make a meaningful impact on our own backyards. So, with that, I just maybe wanted to uh
Tanil’s Path From Killing Plants
SPEAKER_00ask you to tell us a little bit about yourself. What was it that's sparked your interest in horticulture and landscape and design?
SPEAKER_02Um, well, I um I'm originally from Kentucky and I come from a long line of farmers and gardeners. And my first memories are working in the garden with my dad and my grandmother and my great-grandfather. Um I'm I live in Sarasota, Florida, and I've been here for about 23 years, and I really didn't get into plants until probably about 10 years ago. Uh, and I was killing a bunch of stuff, and I didn't really know what I was doing. Um, so I decided to actually do take the uh Master Gardener course through the University of Florida, IFUS, and it was the most eye-opening experience I've ever had. Um, I had two of the most wonderful teachers, and that really is where the that's really where the the whole thing sparked. Um it wasn't just about learning how to grow plants and not how to kill plants in Florida, but it was about how we're all part of a bigger ecosystem here and how what we do in our landscape really does impact everything around us. So uh, you know, I wholeheartedly adopted all of the Florida-friendly landscaping principles. And then about four years ago, I decided, uh, you know what, I'm gonna take the show on the road and I started my business.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, and that's where uh, but why? I mean, when you started the business, and as you were, I think, telling us through the University of Florida Zyphus uh courses and what you were learning, you could have gone different ways. Uh, but why butterflies and and blossoms?
SPEAKER_02Well, most people who know me know that they can catch me outside in my own garden or in somebody else's garden. I will literally chase a butterfly around.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02So, you know, it was it was just it wasn't a matter of looking at these beautiful plants. It was what purpose does this plant serve?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And how does it benefit not only the beautification of a landscape? And at that time it was my own landscape, but how does this all play as a bigger role? Uh, and the more I learned, the more I wanted to learn, and
Building Habitat One Yard At A Time
SPEAKER_02the more I understood how important it was to have native plants and how important it was to help others, you know, create that in their own landscaping. So, you know, I I initially started out, I was just gonna sell plants. And then I quickly learned that, well, A, I didn't really like selling plants. Um, but I kept getting asked, like, well, how do I do this? Well, how you know, how do I, how do I do this in my own landscaping? How do I do this? I live in an HOA. How am I supposed to do this? And then, you know, the wheels started to turn and I realized we have a need. And Florida, um, you know, we continue to lose natural habitat due to development. And I realized very quickly that you and I really can't do a whole lot about that. But what we can do is we can help people have good landscaping practices. And I kind of take the uh page out of Doug Talamy's book, uh, Homegrown National Park, where if we start to stream together these landscapings one after one after one, we can help mitigate some of the losses that we're having due to uh housing development.
SPEAKER_00So it sounds to me, you know, you pretty much uh I would it sounds to me that a people, you know, people's person. So you like working with these different types of homeowners and people, you know, probably having the same questions that you had. And so I'm curious about how you maybe through this, you know, journey have uh learned about what it is that homeowners need, what are some of the challenges and and just working with homeowners and maybe perhaps for people uh you know listening to our podcast, uh wondering, oh, I'd like to do that. What are some of the things maybe that you can share with us and then you know we can all sort of take away in terms of you know uh working with other people and teaching them about you know these all
HOA-Friendly Wildlife Landscaping Mindset
SPEAKER_00these neat things that you were talking about?
SPEAKER_02Um, well, I guess one thing I'd like to make sure that people understand, everybody, you know, people say, Oh, I want a pollinator garden, but I live in an HOA. I can't have that. And I really think that you know, me as being someone trying to lead, you know, lead this cause is instead of saying I want a pollinator garden, I want a landscaping that supports wildlife. Um because when you pollinator garden, immediately people go to wild, you know, unkept meadow natural habitat. And that's simply not the case. We can create wildlife-friendly landscapings with a very small footprint in an HOA. And and granted, I don't live in an HOA, but that is that is that's the pathway of where we're going in Florida, is a lot of HL HOAs. And instead of saying, you know, I can't have that because I live in an HOA, then I just start to educate people. Well, instead of having, you know, X plant, we're going to add native trees and shrubs, and we're gonna make that the predominant, you know, part of your landscaping. Those are going to feed the birds, they're gonna feed, you know, the bees, the butterflies, they're going to provide all the things that pollinators need, but yet it's gonna be neat and tidy because we're not going to have it so heavy on um, you know, wildflowers and wild things. This can be kept very neat and tidy and still provide benefit.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Sure. So can you expand then a little bit on uh those really uh successful landscapes and maybe the types of plants um that all of us can maybe, regardless of where we live, we could potentially maybe just consider and use. What's a successful landscape, I guess, is what I'm asking. Yeah.
Foundation Plants That Do More
SPEAKER_02Um, successful landscape would be a landscaping that provides I always say pollinators need, you know, four things. They need shelter, they need food, they need nectar, and they need, you know, basically water. Um but so the shrubs and the trees, those provide the shelter. They can also provide food for the birds by having uh berries and flowers, and then they also provide food and uh for again birds, bees, butterflies. Um, we can add in some host plants here and there to you know give the host plant, you know, have a host plant for specific birds and uh not birds, but butterflies and certain pollinating insects. But to me, the way I the best description I can give is croton is a very popular plant. And we tend to, I think, overuse that plant in our landscaping. So when somebody comes to me and they say, I want color, let's do crotsons, I'll say, How about let's let's flip the script here? Let's add in something like silver buttonwood or Simpson Stopper or Coca Plum or Firebush and let that be our foundation plant, let that be our foundation shrub. Let's add a small tree, maybe like fiddlewood or um uh like uh Bahama strong bark. And then if you still want your crotons for color, we're gonna do that in small sections versus the main foundation of your landscaping. And then we're gonna add in maybe some non-native annuals and flowers to give them that look that they're looking for, but yet we've given the foundation plants, the trees and the shrubs, that's where the benefit to the pollinators, the birds, are gonna come from.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Right now, we've been talking a lot about, you know, see the the plants themselves, and we've mentioned butterflies. My background in horticulture, I've been so used to always thinking when thinking about pollinators, you know, in terms of bees, whether it be bumblebees or honey bees.
Pollinators Beyond Bees
SPEAKER_00But that's not necessarily all we're talking about when we're talking about uh pollinators, correct?
SPEAKER_02Correct. There are a whole eye-opening experience when it came to that. I mean, you're talking about pollinators, you're talking about bees, you're talking about moths, butterflies, beetles, um, any kind of ground dwelling pollinators. I mean, there's a whole host of pollinating insects that you and I might not even see to our you know naked eye. Um, bats, um, wind. Uh, you know, we live in Florida. Wind is a is a big, you know, we have a lot of wind and that could carry pollination from you know one plant to the next. Animals, and pollen, you know, uh pollen gets on an animal and it goes to the next landscaping or the next yard or wherever and it carries those on. So it doesn't just have to be bees, although bees are important, it's a whole host of insects. And I'm you know, I'm not an ecologist, I'm not a botanist or uh an entomologist, but it's a it's pretty incredible the amount of pollinating and insects that we do have.
Habitat Loss And Pesticide Pressure
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, and and certainly without without them, and this is something that uh you know I I feel it's no news to even your casual uh you know person who likes to keep a garden is that we need those pollinators. Without pollinators, we would not have plants. And now uh that really appears to be one of the challenges with some pollinators even being um, you know, under threat. Can we talk a little bit about some of the things that are the challenges that these pollinators are facing, you know, habitat loss or maybe some of the other things that you've encountered?
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah, I think I wouldn't say it's just in Florida, it's probably all over. I think a large part of that is habitat loss. I mean, we're seeing the massive amounts of native habitats that are becoming housing developments, uh, but also the increase of pesticide use. And again, that's kind of uh uh folds into you know habitat loss. The more lawn we have, the more pesticides we use. Uh so definitely pesticide use is a big attribute to why we're seeing less insects, less, you know, less pollinators, less birds, less wildlife in general.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and of course, you know, all of us here at photoganic growers, when we are promoting and supporting organic, sustainable, and regenerative practices, you know, we do tend to uh recommend and tell people to really reduce, if not, you know, altogether not use, especially those really harmful synthetic pesticides, because as you said, that is maybe one of the biggest, you know, threats and challenges when it comes to pollinators. Uh even as I was saying, I I sometimes, you know, we would be in the greenhouse and we had the bumblebees that they're they're hive. Um, and if there was whatever reason, this is research, but whatever reason we needed to do a spray of even just to fungicide some of the things, we had to take the bees out of the greenhouse. That tells you that, you know, what we were spraying were probably you know not good for the bees. So exactly. So that's that is something that definitely,
Florida’s Year-Round Growing Advantage
SPEAKER_00you know, um we can keep in mind in in terms of just even practices in the things that we do. Um what is florna uniquely positioned to really support pollinators? I think we've been kind of talking a little bit about it, but do you want to maybe share with us a little bit more about why that may be?
SPEAKER_02Well, we have a 12-month growing cycle.
unknownYes.
SPEAKER_02Um we don't we don't get a reprieve. Um that's not to say that all plants are blooming and you know, growing all 12 months of the year, but we have a 12-month growing cycle, good, bad, or indifferent. You know, we're growing something all the time.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_02And that's you know, both good and bad, but I see it as a good because that just means we get to, you know, we get to support all that wildlife. And as the insects, the butterflies, the bees, as they're traveling north to south, they get to use, you know, our area to help support their life system.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah,
Layers Water Host Plants Cohesive Design
SPEAKER_00yeah, exactly. I want to talk a little bit more about, you know, what, because you've already touched on it, but perhaps you can um share a little bit more what makes a landscape, you know, pollinator friendly. What you mentioned the types of pollinators, uh, not just bees, uh, that people can think about, uh, including birds. I mean, birds are, unless you know, birds are eating your, you know, your blueberries, and if you have, you know, blueberries as part of your landscape. But but even birds can help. You mentioned bats and and all the other insect pollinators that we have, uh, and you mentioned a few plants. What else should we know about how to sort of create this, you know, pollinator-friendly landscape?
SPEAKER_02Um, first, I would say use as many native plants as possible. And I am not a native plant purist, um, but I do believe that trees and shrubs, if we can use more native trees and shrubs, the more benefit we'll give to those life. But also, it's a matter of creating different heights, uh, you know, different and and layers of plants as plants need shelter. Uh, they need to be, you know, they need to hide from prey, um, they need to have a place to go to build a nest or you know, to create a hive. Now, granted, I know most people want to hive close to their house, but that's probably not something that people want. Um, but those kind of things happen. Um, creating having a space for maybe a birdbath or a little puddle station. If people don't want a birdbath because of the mosquitoes, have a little puddle station, which is a very shallow dish with rocks for butterflies to land on and get a drink of water. Um, having host plants. And people say, well, but they eat it and it's ugly. And that's true. That's that is a valid point. Um, so what I tell people is get a container and put your milkweed or put your parsley or your roof or the other types of butterflies, put it in a container, put it outside, hide it behind some plants. They'll find it. I promise. They will find it. They don't need directions. And then uh, you know, also, you know, the maintenance of this. So I always encourage people to not plant too much and not to have too many colors. Now, you know, different insects like different types of colors, but they, you know, they would probably prefer not to have the rainbow and maybe have and it also creates cohesiveness in your landscaping. You don't want to just toss out all these colors. Um, and also to repeat the same plants over and over and over. Your butterflies will instead of giving them, you know, 10 different plants, give them three different plants and clump them into, you know, repeated patterns. It also creates a cohesive look. So when you're looking at the landscape, you don't look at it and say, that looks wild and crazy. You look at it and say, that's beautiful. And then in the back of your mind, you say, but it's also benefiting wildlife. So it's not just about creating a beautiful landscape, it's about creating a landscaping that is supportive to the ecosystem.
SPEAKER_00Correct. And so, and you already mentioned, uh, but maybe uh for uh all of us, where can we find information about you you've given us some names of some plants, but maybe for the people who are just starting, where can we find, do you have any sort of tips in finding information about some of those Florida native plants and you know some of the common names and some of the other things that you've been talking about when it when it comes to again having those plants as part of just attracting those pollinators?
Where To Find Native Plant Help
SPEAKER_02Well, I'm always going to tell people there's a couple of different resources. Um University of Florida IFUS is a fabulous resource. It's you know, hands down, probably one of the best. Um Florida Native Plant Society is also fabulous.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_02Um, Florida Association of Native Nurseries, forgot what it was called, um, that's also wonderful. And within that particular uh organization, there is also another um link on their page called Plant Real Florida. And that is where people can go to find out who is selling these particular plants. Because while nurseries and regular, you know, our local garden centers are getting much better about having native plants, it's still something that it, you know, there's a very tiny section. Um, I'm I am noticing more native plants even sold at big box stores. So I think the movement is there and it's happening, but it's just taken off pretty slowly. But if you go to that Plant Rail Florida um website, that will tell you what nurseries in your specific area are selling native plants.
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And and
Texture Over Excess Color
SPEAKER_00you also uh were, which I liked and maybe thought, okay, this is a good idea, uh, of some of those design tips for creating sort of that landscape. And it's not just about having all the colors in the rainbow, if I remember correctly. But how do we then also use other things that are uh done intentionally to put together? Does it have to have that polished look? I guess is part of the what I'm wondering, our landscape, or does it need to be just like nature is? You know, it's not everything is really polished and manicure and all of that. What are some of the tips related to uh the design of that landscape that you would like to?
SPEAKER_02What I try to do is give people a lot of texture. Um texture, yes. Kundi is uh the the number one example that I use. And I tell people Kounty is like the coolest plant that Florida has. Like it has been around forever, and it will take every beating that you throw at it.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02Cold, salt, wind, you know, the whole nine yards. Um, but it's very textural and it creates interest. So a lot everybody comes to me and they say, I want color in my garden. And I'm like, Well, green is a color. So how we can do this without having to throw a bunch of color in there is we create lots of different texture, you know, with the heights and things like that. But to get to your point, the one thing I think that we can do, and again, I I always try to meet people where they are. You know, you we have to meet people where they are in their process. And part of that's because a lot of the people that live here are that are coming here, they're not from here. So they have an idea
Stop Over-Pruning And Plant For Size
SPEAKER_02of what something is supposed to look like that it doesn't work in Florida. Um, is the excessive pruning. It's it's, you know, stop pruning everything into little green meatballs and little green meatloafs because you're cutting off the berries, you're cutting off the flowers, you're cutting off, and you're making the plant so dense that a bird can't get in there. You know, how are they supposed to get into something that's been cut so dense? Densely. And that is not the way nature intended it. I'm not saying you need to have a wild look, but letting the plant look like nature intended it to look instead of into this perfect little shape or just you would say is among one of the sort of most common, if not mistakes, I guess maybe things that people want to do it.
SPEAKER_00Everything needs to be really manicured and pruned and all these other things that you say, why perhaps we should reconsider doing that? Um do you have any other things that uh could help us maybe say, okay, I'd like to be this way, but you know, to Nill is saying that perhaps we could should, you know, reconsider and and do it maybe a little bit different.
SPEAKER_02I would say um understand the the mature size of the plant. Um, you know, we go to the store, we buy a plant, and it's in a little three-gallon and it's a foot or two feet tall. And you think, well, I need to put 10 of those in. Well, a silver buttonwood can reach five feet in width, and you just, you know, so that's not good for the plant. It's costing you money, it's gonna cause disease and problems down the road, and it's gonna force you to have to continue to prune it. Um, I believe that if a landscape is causing you more maintenance, yeah, it's not a good design.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So if you want to take the ease off of you, not even from just, you know, creating a wildlife, you know, aspect, take the burden off of you and just plant and plan for the mature size of the plant because you'll save yourself money in the long run.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Yeah. No, for sure. I I I even remember as a student at University of Florida, I took a course in landscaping um as an undergrad. And one of the things that they would continue to remind us is that if you think you're gonna have the time, you most likely are not gonna have the time to tend to your garden. So try to make it, you know, a little bit, you know, less uh maintenance demanding, if you will, I think. Uh that's why even just lawn, you know, cutting the lawn, water and all that stuff, put it in a ground cover. And some ground covers, you know, have flowers. And so you can, you know, also maybe attract some pollinators, you know, with that, with those, you know, uh ground covers and things like that. Um yeah, because uh I think we all live really busy lives and can get overwhelmed. And then, but then if you're worried about, oh, I gotta prune that poster, gotta do this and gotta do that, it's just gonna create more stress and and effort. Are there any other misconceptions and things that you can that you have feel maybe haven't mentioned yet about pollinator-friendly landscapes uh that you like to mention?
Misconceptions Bugs And Purposeful Beauty
SPEAKER_02I think people have a misconception that uh the more native plants they use, the more unattractive it will be, that it will be messy and it will look wild and it will look unkept. Um, I think some people, and legitimately I understand they're scared of insects, they're scared of bugs, uh especially bees. And I have to remind them that you know, I work in landscape all the time, and I've never been stung, knock on wood. Um, but to kind of embrace, embrace the nature around you, um, but you don't just because a plant is native or quote unquote Florida friendly, it doesn't mean that it's wild and unkept. It is how you treat it and how you design it, that is what can make it look unkept.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Um also, you know, speaking of things that are either, you know, really well kept or unkept, because all of us, you know, love flowers for instance. And so uh so you want to have this, you know, garden that's really beautiful with lots of flowers and you know everything's really trim and pretty. But beyond flowers, um, are there other things that you know pollinators need to thrive? You mix water, water some water.
SPEAKER_02Uh and I I understand that that worry. Um, you know, with mosquitoes. So if you know if you have a bird bath, you do need to be emptying the water daily, especially in the summer. Um you know, they they need water, they need their host plant, they need shelter. Um so I I tell everybody your plant should serve a purpose, not just to be pretty. Pretty is the last thing that it needs to be. And that's hard coming from somebody who loves plants, and I understand that. But you know, you think about what does this, what is what purpose does this serve, and then work everything else around it.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Yeah, no, I and you mentioned one of the things that you mentioned was the those puddle stations that it doesn't necessarily need to be, you know, that bird, you know, bath, you know, uh big kind of container that's, as you said, you know, the rain and water, and then it'll attract mosquitoes. Uh puddle stations work, right? I mean, providing it hopefully enough water for for those pollinators. Um what are some maybe maintenance uh practices also um that can help uh either attract those pollinators um or maybe sometimes harm them because there are certain things that I'm sure that we can do, and we already mentioned you know using too many
Mulch Fertilizer And Smarter Maintenance
SPEAKER_00pesticides and things like that. Uh any other maybe things that we haven't mentioned regarding pesticides?
SPEAKER_02Um I think people um discount the benefit of mulch because it not only provides you know organic material to the soil, which is important, especially in these new housing developments. I'm finding that the soil, it's not even native Florida soil. It is, I don't even know what it is. It's not native, and it's very compact, it's very wet, it's it's got a lot of sediment, a lot of trash in it. Um, so by adding that organic material and adding the mulch, it gives your landscaping a pretty look, but it also helps to build the soil up. But on the flip side of that, you can have too much mulch, and people often put it right up next to this, you know, the trunk of the plants and the trunk of the trees. That's also not helpful. Um so having a good two to three inches uh of mulch is very beneficial. And people don't, I don't think people realize that we've got a lot of ground dwelling insects that are our pollinators that need that organic material. And it in the end, it's beneficial for the plant because it's breaking down and creating all the good stuff that feeds the plant, which means you have less fertilizer, which is another thing I think people over-fertilize. Um, Florida's a hot and humid place and plants are growing like crazy. Unless you are planting things that, you know, roses, hibiscus, gardenias that need that extra little bit of help. I don't really think we need to be fertilizing. Um, with the exception, you know, I know certain palms and things like that need help, but I just don't think that we need to be fertilizing as much as we are. I think it's a I think it's harmful.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. No, I mean, again, you know, uh all of us here at Fog uh know that a lot of the synthetic fertilizer that ends up in the aquifers and our water come from, you know, the use of uh feeding lawns, for instance. Yes. Yeah. And so so that is also certainly something to be um mindful of. And and and thanks for reminding us of that. Um just to uh as we get closer to the end of our podcast today, give us some other maybe you know, final tips when it comes to uh thinking about our landscapes to be more you know pollinator friendly. And if you would like to maybe share your website
Start Small Get Support And Wrap
SPEAKER_00with us as well, so to everyone listening, they can go and check it out and find out more about the really cool things that you're doing.
SPEAKER_02Um well, if I could tell people none of us when I started into this, I did not realize the implications uh of what I was doing that was having a negative impact on the entire system. Um, so give yourself a little grace. Um, we're all learning, and you know, horticulture practices change all the time. And what was good yesterday is not good today, and so on and so forth. So it is a learning curve and it's okay. So give yourself a lot of grace. Start small. If it's overwhelming, start with one section, start with one plant, start with a milkweed plant, or you know, start small, don't make it um, don't, don't make it something that's overwhelming you. And if it is, then hire a professional. Um and you know, look to those groups like FAN, uh, UFIFus, Florida Native Plant Association, read books like Doug Talamy's book. That will all help in the in education um of you know how how we create that. My my whole philosophy is, you know, my motto is I want to save pollinators one landscape inning at a time. I know that we can't do this all at one time, but if we can string together enough, I can save pollinators one landscaping at a time. Um, so my website is butterflies and blossoms f l. Make sure you put the fl at the at the back, um, at the end of that. Uh, I'm in Sarasota and I I cover pretty much Sarasota and Manatee counties, but I have people all over the state asking me for virtual consults and they just need a little help and a little, a little oomph and a little, you know, just a little urge. Um, and I've had people, they they tell me, I think I've failed. And I'm like, you haven't failed. Nobody fails at anything. It is just this is just the nature of plants and and gardening. It's just it's a work in progress. I don't even want to tell people how many plants I've killed. So a lot.
SPEAKER_00And I think we all have. Yes. But but uh, but it's it's just about you know, keep really learning, uh, as we try to do with you know our podcast, and thanking people like you to share your wisdom and your expertise and experience over the years. So we really appreciate you being with us today, Tanil. Thank you so much for sharing so many useful tips. And to everyone listening, we thank you for you know joining us and keep you know looking out for those uh episodes. We love to continue to have you uh here at Fresh Today. Thank you so much, Danil. Thank you.
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